Friday, January 27, 2006

Canadian Islamic Congress to Harper: Negotiate with the terrorists.

Mohammed "Israeli Civilians are legitimate targets" ElMasry is shocked SHOCKED! that PM designate Stephen Harper has hinted that he will not recognize the election results in the Palestinian territories that saw a group which openly advocates the destruction of Israel, has close ties to Iran and plans to implement a Taliban-Like social policy within its jurisdiction.

The idiot states:

The Irish Republican Army's political wing proved itself competent to govern without
continuing armed violence likewise, several former Israeli prime ministers
were once labelled terrorists

There's big difference there Doctor. The IRA never had the destruction of England in its charter. The IRA did not go on to develop relationships with rogue nations that were Britain's enemies such as the USSR. And neither did the former Israeli PM's who were labeled as terrorists by the British.

Let's go through what Harper said on the subject:

I'll address this in more detail when I take office, Bob, but let me just say as you know, we've always maintained that we support a secure Israel and a democratic Palestine but for a nation to be truly democratic, that nation must renounce any use of terrorism.

You can't have a secure Israel negotiate with a "democratic" Palestine who's represented by a party that's hell bent on its destruction.

Let's put it in a different scenario. Say you have two guys (Let's call them Person A and Person B). Both of them sworn enemies of each other for over 50 years.
Using Elmasry's reasoning. It would be like asking Person A to sit down and negotiate with Person B when Person B is intent on killing Person A at all costs. And doesn't intend to do anything otherwise.

For there to be a peace process, all parties concerned must aim to achieve one thing. Peace! Which Hamas has no intention of doing as long as it refuses to renounce its militant aims of the destruction of Israel. Which in essence is what Harper is saying.
Why is that so hard for people like ElMasry to understand?

(H/T: Blue Blogging Soapbox).


At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Blogger Candace said...

Maybe he's in withdrawal from Pettigrew et al's withdrawal from gov't?

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've also heard that argument about the comparison between the IRA and Hamas. It's idiotic. Like you said, the IRA doesn't seek England's destruction and they are rational people. They don't seek martyrdom or 72 virgins. I can't believe that so many people are happy about this election. They think it's a good thing that a group was elected that wants Israel's destruction? They will just bring more misery to the Palestinian people. Prepare for more violence and more bloodshed.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Blogger Shameer Ravji said...

Just goes to show you how the left seems to be living on another planet.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Blogger eugene plawiuk said...

Islamic fundamentalists aren't left they are fascists.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Anonymous Andrew Brehm said...

"Islamic fundamentalists aren't left they are fascists."

Indeed. But their supporters in the west are left. European fascists support them as well, of course.

Conservatism is a different type of "right".

Anyway, I think everybody should respect the Arab Palestinians' decision. They want the destruction of their neighbour. They had the choice. The world should respect their decision and act accordingly.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Anonymous Tiburon said...

I wish we could cease intoning the mantra to the god of "Peace" each time we hit a snag in the WOT. "Peace" is not a goal, folks, it's an OUTCOME, and grossly inappropriate justification for our position regards Our True Muslim Brethren.

As this so-refreshing short ditty and vid, amply illustrates: -
"It's In The Koran"
(turn up your speakers ;-))

How I long to see one single 'free nation' take up the appropriate mantra, not 'democracy', not 'freedom', but: - "VICTORY"

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Blogger AT said...

the palestinians chose Hamas. It's their decision, not ours! We cannot push a certain government on them just because we think that's good....If Harper really believes in democracy then, he should accept the choice of the Palestinian people. He doesn't need to accept the Hamas but accept the Palestinians.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Blogger The Arabian Knight said...

I'm sorry Arnab, but when they elect a group that has killed thousands of innocent civilians and have the destruction of Israel as on of their main goals, when at the same time have no plans on renouncing those actions of beliefs, then it doesn't exactly bode well for peace and democracy in the Middle East. Like Harper said, for Palestine to be truely democratic and sincere in its hope for peace it must renounce terrorism. Which the Palestinian people, I'm sorry to say, did'nt do.

The whole context of the Peace Process is Land for PEACE. And the Palestinians have demostrated that they have no intention of honouring the later.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why is that so hard for people like ElMasry to understand?"

He does understand.

He wants Israel destroyed.

Why is that so hard to understand?

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First thing Harpers govt should do, stop all aid of anykind to Palestine, then close the borders to any future immigrants from that area. Next, if the Islamic Congress in Canada continues to preach hate, make them an illegal org, identify them as a terrorist org and seize all their assets, then deport the bunch of them. If they want a say in how palestine is governed, go back there and do it. Don't bring your ideas, religion and hate to Canada. Thank God we have Harper now and not the Liberals.

At Saturday, 28 January, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eugene wrote: "Islamic fundamentalists aren't left they are fascists."

Andrew replied: “Indeed. But their supporters in the west are left. European fascists support them as well, of course.”

Somehow we’ve got to correct this notion that fascism (including Nazism) is an ideology of the right. It’s not. It’s actually a spawn of the left. From Ludwig von Mises in his “Socialism”:

“Benito Mussolini, the outstanding man in Italian socialism, chose at first the orthodox Marxian position. Nobody could surpass Mussolini in Marxian zeal.”

“ Fascism was not, as its advocates boasted, an original product of the Italian mind. It began with a split in the ranks of Marxian socialism, which certainly was an imported doctrine. Its economic programme was borrowed from German non-Marxian socialism and its aggressiveness was likewise copied from Germans, the All-deutsche or Pan-German forerunners of the Nazis. Its conduct of government affairs was a replica of Lenin's dictatorship.”

The left are loath to acknowledge this and instead try (usually successfully) to disown it by assigning it to the extreme right side of the political spectrum. It really belongs on the left.

At Sunday, 29 January, 2006, Blogger Shameer Ravji said...

Eugene, I was referring to the supporters of Islamic fundamentalists in the west, and they're leftists.

At Sunday, 29 January, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shameer, see post above re fascism. It's not just western "supporters" of Islamofascism who are leftists. So are Islamofascists and fascists of all other stripes.

At Monday, 30 January, 2006, Blogger Shameer Ravji said...

Anonymous, I just wanted to clear up any confusion that Eugene might have had with my initial comments. He probably thought I was referring to Islamic fundamentalists being leftists.

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