Wednesday, July 05, 2006

Cherniak tries to BS his way out of his own stupidity.

Unlike many in the Canadian Blogspehere, I'm not of those who tend to view Jason Cherniak as either intelligent or a good political spinster. Heck, I don't even have respect for the guy. Having read some of his posts during the last federal election, and listening to him regularly on the Bloggers Hotstove, I knew that in the political world, Jason Cherniak is as bad of a Hack as they come. I'm not going to mince words, he strikes me as snobbish, arrogant, clueless, there's a whiff of elitism whenever he describes his political future, and is someone who takes party affiliations very seriously. I mean if the entire Liberal caucus grabbed a bunch of AK-47's and started a rampage across Toronto, I can guarantee you that Jason would be spinning it into a version of how those MP's have been driven to madness by the actions of Stephen Harper, and should anyone bear the responsibility for the murders, its the PM himself.

Anyway, after his latest post regarding the Muslim Community and Omar Alghabra, we can also add incompetence and soft bigotry into the whole mix.

He begins:

For those who do not know the background, when I was on the Coren show I tried to argue that Muslims will not vote Conservative because if you consider the manner in which many Conservatives talk about Omar, you will realize that they are not exactly open to the Muslim community.


(emphasis mine)

Right off the bat, Jason surprises us all with his remarkable skills of Telepathy and Divination in stating that Muslims in Canada will simply be turned off to voting Conservative simply because of the manner in which Conservatives have raised the alarm over one Muslim's scary past and statements.

Now right away, this raises a flag. What the hell does Jason know about the Muslim community? So far the only thing he demonstrated in knowledge is that he believes Muslims in Canada all think alike and interpret any action in the same manner. Whether they are male or female, Arab or non-Arab, Pakistani or Moroccan, rich or poor, landed immigrant or naturalized, all Muslims are the same. Apparently to Jason we are unable of exercising independent thought, and interpret events and words in a different manner he does.

Among the many things we have learned in grade school when discussing prejudice and racism, is that to never group any minority group into one big "groupthink". Not all Muslims think alike, Not all Blacks think alike and not all whites think alike. The reason why we were taught in that manner is to never paint an entire ethnic group with one brush. But there he is, labeling us all into one groupthink
and dictating our voting patterns for us.

But it doesn't really end there for out Star liberal blogger.

"because if you consider the manner in which many Conservatives talk about Omar, you will realize that they are not exactly open to the Muslim community."

In these 20 words or so, Jason exemplifies more bigotry and stupidity at the same time. Take note of the logic: The manner in which many Conservatives talk about an MP who:

-Is a member and speaker for a student group which calls for divestment from Israel and has circulated anti-Semitic conspiracies in their literature. The group has also incited a riot on September of 2002 in which many anti-Semitic attacks occurred.
-Is involved with an organization that's under investigation for terrorist funding.
- Does not consider Hamas or Islamic Jihad to be terrorist groups and strongly lobbied the Federal government against criminalizing them.
-Does not believe in mixture of religion and politics. But is all for the implementation of Sharia.
-Constantly attacks law enforcement of racism.

is according to Jason...brutal. And this alone signifies that Conservatives are not "open" to the Islamic community. Now if Cherniak believes that Omar Alghabra is the true representation of the Islamic community when all those points are considered, then Jason himself is the true bigot who mislabels the Muslim community. To this liberal, an attack on Omar Alghabra is simply an attack on his religion and nothing else.

Since 9/11, we have constantly heard from political, religious and social leaders to not group or label an the entire Muslim community of being from one mindset. Perhaps the real person who should remember that and take it to heart is none other than Jason Cherniak.

28 Comments:

At Wednesday, 05 July, 2006, Anonymous Anne (happier in Ontario) said...

Thank god you are back!!

Outstanding post, as usual, looking forward to more great perspective - welcome back!

This is exactly what the average Canadian needs to hear/read more often, a voice of reason in all this craziness, thanks.

 
At Wednesday, 05 July, 2006, Blogger Chris Vanoostveen said...

Great post as always -- I could not agree more. Cherniak's quite a piece of work...

 
At Wednesday, 05 July, 2006, Blogger Shameer Ravji said...

Well, here's at least one Muslim who loves to give Omar and the Liberal party the finger.

 
At Thursday, 06 July, 2006, Blogger Rav said...

Excellent post!!!

 
At Thursday, 06 July, 2006, Blogger BBS said...

Maybe I should introduce Jason to the business friend of mine who recently sold 30 Conservative memberships to his friends and family members. The fact that he is Muslim is irrelevant. He is a Canadian businessman who is fed up with ever increasing taxes and a government that feels the need to tell us how to dress in the morning and what to wear.

 
At Thursday, 06 July, 2006, Blogger Jason Cherniak said...

Is Harper a racist for beleiving that he can gain Muslim voters by focusing on Conservative opposition to Same Sex Marriage? Is Coren a racist for asking the question in the first place?

 
At Thursday, 06 July, 2006, Blogger Christopher Bryden said...

Wow Jason, now you know what Harper is thinking as well?

So, your telepathic abilities extend to Harper and all Muslims; do they extend to anyone else?

By the way, do you even remember what Coren said to you about SSM? (and how Paul Martin always maintained that he's personally against it?)

 
At Thursday, 06 July, 2006, Blogger The Arabian Knight said...

"Is Harper a racist for beleiving that he can gain Muslim voters by focusing on Conservative opposition to Same Sex Marriage?"

Well that depends, if Harper believes he can gain the votes of ALL muslim voters by focussing on that issue alone then yes, I'm affraid that does make him a bigot.

You on the other hand used an absurd generalization, some Conservatives don't like Alghabra, ergo Conservatives are not open to the "Muslim Community". Well I have a problem with Alghabra and I'm muslim, and I god damm dare you to to tell me I'm not open to "Muslim Society". Second of all, you assumed that all Muslim Canadians will simply be turned off the Conservative party simply becuase they have a problem with one muslim. You never really considered that some Muslims might actually have a problem with Alghabra himself as well.

You applied groupthink on one religious group believing we all think alike ("Muslims will never vote Conservatives because..."), Which is quite bigoted, I have to tell you.

 
At Friday, 07 July, 2006, Anonymous Erol Hosdil said...

It is Jason, not Mr. Harper that is racist against Muslims. Clowns like Jason think that Muslims are too stupid for Democracy and unworthy of Human Rights. Mr. Cherniak: Clowns like you said the same kind of things against the Germans and Japanese a few generations ago. History will prove you to be a fool.

 
At Friday, 07 July, 2006, Blogger Jason Cherniak said...

"You on the other hand used an absurd generalization, some Conservatives don't like Alghabra, ergo Conservatives are not open to the "Muslim Community"."

Doesn't that mean you are really accusing me of being racist against Conservatives? Or am I insulting you by suggesting that you belong to a party that includes many closed-minded people?

As far as "Clowns like Jason think that Muslims are too stupid for Democracy and unworthy of Human Rights"; I challenge anybody to give just one shred of evidence that I believe that.

 
At Friday, 07 July, 2006, Anonymous Andrew Brehm said...

"Doesn't that mean you are really accusing me of being racist against Conservatives?"

I think it means what he said:

"You on the other hand used an absurd generalization"

He REALLY accused you of using an absurd generalization.

 
At Friday, 07 July, 2006, Blogger Jason Cherniak said...

Yeah, but he has also accused me more generally of being racist. Does that come from the following?

"Second of all, you assumed that all Muslim Canadians will simply be turned off the Conservative party simply becuase they have a problem with one muslim. You never really considered that some Muslims might actually have a problem with Alghabra himself as well."

I never said that every single Muslim will refuse to vote Conservative. If I made a generalization, it was to say "Muslims" when I meant "most Muslims". I might be wrong, but I would no more wrong than people who assume that most Jews will vote Conservative because of Chretien's record on Israel.

 
At Friday, 07 July, 2006, Blogger Christopher Bryden said...

Jason,

If anyone has assumed Jews would vote Conservative because of Chretien's record on Israel, it would be because they think Jews don't appreciate it when Canada votes for biased UN resolutions condemning Israel, but totally ignoring Palestinian terrorism against Israelis. That actually seems like a fairly reasonable assumption to make.

On the other hand, in saying that Muslims will vote Liberal because of some legitimate Conservative concerns about Alghabra's refusal to condemn Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and suicide bombing against Israelis, you're assuming that Muslims don't have a problem with terrorism (as long as you don't call it that, and it's against Israelis).

And unlike your Jew/Chretien example, I think that yes, that's a pretty shocking, racist thing for anyone to think.

 
At Friday, 07 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Hum. I've never read Cherniak's blog. Don't suppose I will now. I have enough to contend with putting the airhead Catty Catnip in her place.

 
At Saturday, 08 July, 2006, Anonymous E J Hosdil said...

Loise:

I've read Cherniak off and for about 6 month, I only remember one half decent article. Don't worry, you are not missing much. He is not much better than Liberal Catnip. He has no respect for the soldiers defending either of our two North American countries.

 
At Saturday, 08 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Does he allow comments that disagree with him? Catty Catnip banned me because I had the audacity to disagree. That's why I started my own blog. I use it to comment on her blog blather. I know others have been banned as well. Poor child. She claims to be a grandmother, too. How mature of her, then!

 
At Monday, 10 July, 2006, Anonymous E J Hosdil said...

I do not know his exact policy, but I am banned from Catnip as well.

 
At Monday, 10 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Well, if you can stomach reading her blather, feel free to comment on it at my blog: Stubble Jumping Redneck.

 
At Tuesday, 11 July, 2006, Blogger Chris Vanoostveen said...

I've written another post on this

I can't believe he would have been elected if people knew about any of this

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Blogger The Arabian Knight said...

"Doesn't that mean you are really accusing me of being racist against Conservatives? Or am I insulting you by suggesting that you belong to a party that includes many closed-minded people?"

No, actually it proves that you believe that the Muslim (or in your words "Most Muslims") think alike when it comes to this particlular situation. Which begs the question Jason, who dies and made you the Muslim mind reader?

Your basicaly showing the same kind of prejudice as the old lady who clucthes her pruse whenever she passes by a young balck guy. The only difference is the old lady believes that most black guys are criminal, you believe that most Muslim Canadians believe that an insult on Omar Alghabra is an insult on them. Prejudice is prejudice is prejudice. Believe it or not Jason, we actually do have different minds and different interpretations of events.

"I never said that every single Muslim will refuse to vote Conservative. If I made a generalization, it was to say "Muslims" when I meant "most Muslims". I might be wrong, but I would no more wrong than people who assume that most Jews will vote Conservative because of Chretien's record on Israel."

Not only would you be wrong, you would also be a prejudiced bigot. How do we know that most Jews didn't believe that Chretien was right in his stance against Israel? Is Israel the only issue which Jews consider before voting on election day? Do "most" Jews really have the same interpretation of Chretien's actions as you did? Believeing that the majority of a race or religious group think alike is what grade school teachers have been discouraging their students of doing. Just like many groups protested to the general public in believing that most muslims don't think alike when it comes to Jihad and Terrorism. So that equivilance is rather a horrible one to make.

Louise:

Forget Catnip. She's a racist bitch who believes Muslims are too stupid for democracy and are not worthy of humanitarian aid. These types of people you really don't need in your life. Let her contaminate her own party and reveal to the public just what kind party they are. Again do not waste your energy on people like her. You might as well be trying to convince David Duke of racial equality ...its useless and a waste of time.

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't believe this blog for a second. I think this is a front set up by the CPC or the CF to broadcast talking-points for continued intervention in the ME/Afghanistan. Who, knows...you might even be American. I've never seen a Muslim in my life lie so much and be so hateful, that's for sure.

You're full of shit in one way or another, dude.

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Anonymous susanne said...

Quote from your blog...'I mean if the entire liberal caucus grabbed a bunch of AK47's and started a rampage'....
What?!! Only in your dreams....That's the Republican Gun Lovers Right you are thinking of, not liberals. Liberals are anti-gun, anti-war..remember? You are soooo mixed up. That's Bush's America which has slaughtered thousands upon thousands of MUSLIMS. But wait.....you ARE a Bush Supporter. ?? Dude, you seem very confused and conflicted, oh and also hate filled.
Also, for some-one who hates Cherniak with Avengence, there is more than a passing resemblance to his web-site. Isn't there a saying that copying some-one is the sincerest form of flattery? I recommend some good intensive psycho-analysis for starters. Now I,m bracing for purilent streams of venom...

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Anonymous E J Hosdil said...

Susanne:
Who are these thousands of Muslims that Bush has slaughtered. It appears that you are confused with Saddam Hussein, Milosovic and Zarqawi. These are the characters that killed Muslims, not Bush

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Anonymous Anne (happier in Ontario) said...

Knight, I just love how the denial is coming out here. Seriously, the contention that you can't be REAL, that all muslims submit to group think and you are not allowed to have your own opinion on any issue?? Wow, I guess mind control must be on the agenda of the left next, government funded, of course!

Hey, you know you are doing something right when the moonbats fly in leaving their droppings!

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Blogger The Arabian Knight said...

"I don't believe this blog for a second. I think this is a front set up by the CPC or the CF to broadcast talking-points for continued intervention in the ME/Afghanistan."

LMFAO!! Thanks man I needed that ;) Seriously...that had me going for a good 15 minutes.

"Quote from your blog...'I mean if the entire liberal caucus grabbed a bunch of AK47's and started a rampage'....
What?!! Only in your dreams....That's the Republican Gun Lovers Right you are thinking of, not liberals."

Put down the crack pipe and relax lady...its called sarcasm. Now breath....in...out...in....out...

"Bush's America which has slaughtered thousands upon thousands of MUSLIMS. But wait.....you ARE a Bush Supporter. ?? Dude, you seem very confused and conflicted, oh and also hate filled."

Let's see..."Bush's America" has liberated over 55 million Muslims from tyranical rule and has given the the opportunity to engineer their governments to the needs of their own personal ambitions...you on the other hand favour the status-quo in the Middle East, which strangles people's ambitions, their rights and liberties and makes it a fertile ground for Fundamentalist brainwashing...just who exactly is the one who's filled with "hate" here?

"Also, for some-one who hates Cherniak with Avengence"

Lol...I think Jason is alot of things...but I certainly don't "hate" the man.

 
At Wednesday, 12 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Thanks, Knight, but I reserve the right to rip the Catty Catnip apart on my blog. She deserves it.

 
At Thursday, 13 July, 2006, Anonymous Anne (happier in Ontario) said...

Knight, was really hoping you would blog about what is happening in the ME right now.

I only ask since you are one of the bloggers who follows this stuff quite closely and is quite well informed.

 
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