Wednesday, July 19, 2006

Deserved and undeserved criticisms of Harper

Apologies again for not staying on top of things for the past two days, but considering the circumstances of what’s going on in the Middle East and the little dilemma I face, I’ve been trying to keep myself as busy as I can just for the sake of not loosing my mind pondering the situation. A couple of things I need to comment on regarding the Prime Minister’s handling of the situation and the reactions from the so-called “Arab-Canadian” advocacy groups.

1.The CAF blaming Harper for the deaths of the Canadians killed in Lebanon:

What a fu*cked up accusation to make! Let’s first consider the entire scenario before even taking this seriously. First of all, the Canadians that were killed were (according to Newsreports) located in Southern Lebanon. An area which the Canadian Ministry of Foreign Affaires has long advocated to citizens visiting Lebanon to avoid at all costs. Even after the initial Israeli withdrawal in 2000. Second of all, when the situation got out of control last week, the Canadian Embassy in Beirut urged all its citizens to stay indoors and await further instructions for evacuation. These are two instructions which the victims tragically chose to defy.

Now that is not to say that the victims are to blame for their own deaths. Far from it, in fact had I been in a similar situation, I would have also tried to get the hell out of the area as soon as humanly possible. What I’m simply saying is that the Canadian government, bearing the circumstances, has done everything it could to warn its citizens from experiencing this kind of tragic fate.

And as for the accusation that Harper deserves flak for the deaths because he has not called for an immediate ceasefire, I find that unbelievably naïve. As much as I hate to point out the impotence of my country whenever it comes to matters of International affaires, this has to be said:

If the Israelis were not willing to listen to the Presidents of France and Russia to stand down, then chances are they wouldn’t exactly jump for the Prime Minister of Canada either. The Israelis were going to go through this military action with Canada’s blessing or not. So please, let’s leave out the retarded accusations throughout this nightmare from hell. Unless the CAF has unmistakable evidence showing that Harper was the pilot of the jet that launched the air-to-surface missile that killed the Canadians, the CAF has just made itself to be the biggest joke of all the advocacy groups in Canada.

2. Harper said he has not contacted Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert seeking an explanation of the air strike that killed the Canadians on Sunday, nor had his officials.

Now this is just straight out bullshit on Harper’s part. I understand his pro-Israel sentiment and I agree with his opinion that Hezbollah and Hamas are the principal parties to blame for the escalation of violence and rising death toll. But…the Prime Minster of Canada has the duty to make sure that justice prevails for all his citizens. No matter what the circumstances are. He should at least call Prime Minister Olmert and ask for an inquiry into the deaths. Was there a viable threat in the area in which the Israeli pilot fired the missile at? On what basis? Was the targeted threat worthy of such a response? Israel has an explanation to do…and the only person who must make sure that these deaths were not killed in cold-blood or human error in the Prime Minster of Canada. If it is indeed the case of human error, than he should ask for a compensation for the family members of the victims from the Israeli government.


At Wednesday, 19 July, 2006, Blogger Omar Soliman said...

"The Prime Minster of Canada has the duty to make sure that justice prevails for all his citizens. No matter what the circumstances are. He should at least call Prime Minister Olmert and ask for an inquiry into the deaths."

I agree wholeheartedly.

Harper has screwed up on this front--and I am not the only Conservative that concurs.

I also have reservations with Harper's unequivocal (almost non-diplomatic) support for Israel, and what this means for the "battleground" of Montreal in the coming election. I think Harper may have ignited a negative political reaction from Lebanese and Arabs who would otherwise have not voted or got involved...

At Wednesday, 19 July, 2006, Blogger Steve said...

I wonder what Mr.Dithers would have done in the same situation, I am not excusing Harper, he should demand some sort of comp.from the Israelis.

At Wednesday, 19 July, 2006, Blogger Shameer Ravji said...

I don't have reservations about Harper's support for Israel Omar. It's about time we had a leader who stood up for Israel and not make excuses and feel sorry for Islamic terrorists who want to destroy it. Those who are worried about the political fallout of it are Liberals. You're also assuming that all Arabs and other Muslims support Hezbollah and Hamas, and oppose Harper's stance.

As for Harper's lack of inquiry into the Canadian deaths, I agree with you AD.

At Wednesday, 19 July, 2006, Blogger Mark said...

I agree on both points, AD.

What I would add, and have been saying at my blog for a few days, is the Lebanese civilian deaths are for the most part Hezbollah's fault since they use them as human shields.

The Lebanese should rise up en masse and kick the living crap out of Hezbollah.

But alas....

At Wednesday, 19 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Mark and Shameer, I agree with you 100%. The Canadians had the profound misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How could the Israelis possibly know what nationality people on the ground might have had and I think it would have unwise militarily to give a public warning to anyone, since a mass evacuation just prior to the attack would have given it away. Asking for an explanation or an apology is just plain silly.

Besides, what's happening in Lebanon, IMHO, is just the opening volley of a much large war, and there will be far more than just a few dead Canadians left in its wake.

This conflict has been simmering just below the surface for more than 60 years. If this isn't the last straw, I don't know what else could be.

From what I've been reading, there are somewhere between 40,000 to 50,000 Canadians in Lebanon. How in hells bells do you evacuate that many people in a few days, especially when Israel has done everything necessary to make transportation in and out of the country nearly impossible, and rightly so.

If any government in the West bears any responsibility for this, it is all of those who through diplomacy and indifference managed to maintain the status quo for so very, very long.

At Thursday, 20 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Israel voices sorrow over Canadian deaths in Lebanon". You'll also notice that Australia is in a similar predicament.

At Thursday, 20 July, 2006, Blogger Candace said...

AD, you must have posted this before PMSH's conversation with the PM of Israels was discussed in the news.

At Friday, 21 July, 2006, Blogger Wayne said...

Here are some comments form Dust My Broom.

It says that six Canadian Lebanese organizations support Harper.

If Lebanon ever wants peace, Hezbollah has got to go.

I would also like to know why there are 50,000 Canadians in Lebanon? Seems like alot.

If people have been warned and don't listen, should Harper have to talk to the Israeli Prime Minister? I don't know.

I hate to see what is happening, Lebanon has had a hell of a time for years.

What a mess.

At Friday, 21 July, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You owe the PM an apology...

From The Toronto Star
Harper to fly evacuees home
Delays return, orders jet to Cyprus
Plans to airlift 100 back to Canada
Jul. 20, 2006. 05:01 AM
LARNACA, Cyprus—

Harper said Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert telephoned him yesterday to "communicate the sorrow of the Israeli government" for the death of eight Canadians killed in an Israeli air strike in Lebanon this week.

Harper said he received assurances from Olmert that the Israeli military would try to minimize civilian casualties in the fighting in Lebanon and would not block ships carrying Canadians from Beirut.

In his call to Harper, Olmert expressed his appreciation for Canada's statements of support for Israel in the campaign against Hezbollah and Hamas.

At Friday, 21 July, 2006, Anonymous ella said...


I think that a lot of Canadians in Lebanon have double citizenship, that's probably why there are so many Canadians over there.

I also hate what is going on in Lebanon. Lebanon started getting on its feet, syrian army left and there were many voices heard saying that it's high time to disarm Hizbullah.

And now this.

Nasrallah is saying that Hizbullah are fighting for all arab people, for their honor. Well, they are definitely proxy-fighters for mullahs of Iran who are not arabs.

At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Blogger Canadi-anna said...

Any news of your friend?

At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Anonymous sonya said...

'If any government in the West bears any responsibility for this, it is all of those who through diplomacy and indifference managed to maintain the status quo for so very, very long.'

Louise's comment struck me as interesting, because a contributing factor from the West is the massive funding of the Israeli forces by America. All planes and armaments are 'made in the U.S.A.' and the highest technology available. This must surely add to the difficulty in resolving these issues once and for all. Israel is emboldened by Bush's 'us against them' mentality which does nothing to help solve the whole crisis. Clinton had managed with limited success to help the peace process, and save lives with Madelaine Albright making frequent visits to the Middle East, but Bush has left everyone to their own devices for 5 years, while continuing to give major financial support to Israel which is already rich in its own right. Israel has not needed to pay any attention to U.N resolutions against it, while other countries in the area are threatened with sanctions and military action and live in 3rd World conditions. It is so terrible, apparently, that Hezbollah rockets have 'made in Iran' on them, but Lebanon has literally been destroyed before our eyes with American war planes and bombs - the best money can buy! This is the respnsibility the West bears.

At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Anonymous susanne said...

You may like to read an article by Robert Fisk called "Elegy for Beirut" on Should it be "eulogy"? (don't know how to add a link, sorry) But anyway, it is very moving and goes beyond all the fuss about our exodus as foreign nationals.

At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sonya & Suzanne,

I can't believe you are still going on with the "bash Bush" and "big bad U.S." themes (even the Democrats in the U.S. support Israel) but you really just don't get it do you??!! We have a Western democracy (good guys - Isreal) surrounded by a sea of radical extreme Islamic arabs who's sole purpose is to have them completely annihilated. There is no negotiating with these people, a cease fire does nothing except prolong the inevitable, the U.N. will NEVER do anything to help Isreal because they are corrupt, inept, and have too many of their own interests to protect (in fact there have been U.N Peacekeepers in the region for years having tea with Hizbollah). Hizbollah (bad guys) start this whole thing up again and Israel are supposed to sit back and take the suicide bombings and rockets and keep a million or so people in bomb shelters? Yeah, right, how long would you stay down there?

Now, it is unfortunate for Lebanon but the Lebanonese must accept that part of this is their responsibility too because they never enforced the U.N. resolution to disarm Hezbollah, instead taking them into their government and army.

Isreal has tried EVERYTHING to achieve peace - it has offered to give back land (to pre-1967 status), it has exchanged prisoners (some 400 for 1!!) but nothing will ever work because this extreme group will not be happy until Israel no longer exists. Now, either you are the biggest anti-semites I have ever witnessed or you must side with Isreal against a bunch of TERRORISTS who AIM TO KILL INNOCENTS (rather than avoiding it such as Isreal); I mean these idiots use their own people as human shields which is the only reason we are seeing so many casualties (Isreal dropped warning flyers for days and most people had a chance to get out of the way). As far as war casualties go 300 is extremely low, not that each death doesn't matter because it certainly does but some things are worth fighting for and this is definately one of them. It's absolutely a no-brainer - either you side with Western democracies and fight for our right to exist or you are a terrorist apologist. It really is black and white!


At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Anonymous Sonya said...

Charley, Yes, thank you sooooo much. I did get it. No seriously, I appreciate the insight into the region's history, and DO understand that radical extremists have very little respect for their own peoples' lives. i.e. human sheilds. However, you stated.. "we have Western Democracy (good guys - Israel)" is precisely the point. Western Democracies have a higher moral principle, and do NOT condone killing of civilians the way radical extremists do, based on lessons learned from 2 World Wars (extermination of Jews), resulting in Geneva Conventions...The Terrorists have been emboldened by George Bush's success in throwing away our morals. We, and Israel, are now no better than them! In fact, I can imagine that Hezbollah, etc are rubbing their hands together in glee as they will be seen as martyrs, AND HAVE MULTIPLIED IN NUMBERS AS WE SPEAK. We have played into their hands. Thanks to BUSH....Bush bashing is GOOD!! Oh, and by the way, Israel dropped fliers AFTER they had been bombing the infra-structure for days, thereby blocking routes of escape. It could be seen as more of an afterthought to dispel Western criticism.

At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

I'll state my position on the Israeli operation under way right now. I hope they make HAMburger out of Hezbollah and then roll on up to Damascus and snatch baby Assad from his cradle and kill all his wetnurses, then take an about face and head due east, taking a few out while passing through Iraq, and end up in Iran where they pull the cowering Muckyface fatboy out from under his bed and strap a remote controlled suicide bomb on to his large girth and hang him from a light standard or the neck of a crane, as is the custom in Iran, and then take I-am-mad-about-jihad and throw him down that well so he can be with his 12th Imam and the lizards and bloodsuckers, and then mow down the council of clerics. Then they can go home and sit back and relax while they push the button on the remote.

Awwwww. That felt good.

Pass the blood please. I'm thirsty.

Sixty years of facing death by "a thousand cuts" from these annoying amateurs is about to come to an end. Go Israel!!

At Saturday, 22 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Sonya, 32 million civilians died in World War II and that doesn't include Holocaust victims. Civilians are always killed in modern warfare. It's unavoidable. If you wish to avoid killing civilians, then the enemy which chooses to hide among them wins.

At Sunday, 23 July, 2006, Anonymous susanne said...

Again, Louise, your response pretty well proves my point, and your second post just confirms you did not read my comments about Geneva Conventions...and WHERE did that little rant come from? -
Good ol' Hate Speech. Definite anger problem poor thing. Did you say you're Canadian? Been reading too much Dracula?
Just a comment from A.K.'s statement that the civilians 'tragically chose to defy' the order to stay indoors. Not so. The Canadian family were all killed because they DID stay indoors in their own home. Agreed that we should be asking for compensation from the Israeli government.
Oh, and ban Louise. Not an asset to your site.

At Sunday, 23 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

You're right susanne. I did not read your comments. What makes you think I did? Or, for that matter, should? My first comment on this thread wasn't in response to any other person's comments, it was just my rant expressing my frustration with 60+ years of nonsense in the Middle East. My second comment was in response to Sonya, as it clearly states. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up. I now know that your comments are most likely good candidates for an application of the scroll button.

Oh. Arabian Knight. Ban her. She was mean to me. Whine, whine, snivel, sob, stomp, stomp!

At Sunday, 23 July, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Oops. That should be "my fourth" and "fifth" comments.

At Thursday, 27 July, 2006, Blogger -canuck- said...

sorry to crash this hate fest but people are also dying in israel. i realise that hezbollah referts to jews as pigs..but to me..they are still people.

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