Friday, August 11, 2006

Mail Call

So I decided to check my Outlook mail for the first time in weeks this mourning, and this is the first thing that pops up:

I thought you might want to take a look at this. Nice crew you’re rolling with you self-hating asshole.

Fuck you.

That is all.


So...what exactly is this link that this anonymous coward decides to
link to, to "prove" the so-called collective racism of the "Blogging
Tories"? It's none other than a post by Liberal Blogger Cerebrus in
which he (rightly) slams a bigoted post by RightGirl on the Western
Standard blog. The post is followed by many members of the
Liberal-Left puffing up their chest and patting each other on the
back, congratulating themselves on their built-in tolerant nature and
how a member of their party would never stoop this low in terms of
racial bigotry or generalization. But, as usual, Ted plays with fire.
He labels the post as "Why I'm not a Conservative", trying to blanket
the thoughts of one person as the thoughts of an entire political
movement, party and blog avatar. He then goes on and throws a brick in
a glass house:


I'm on the record for clarifying a number of times that these wingnuts
are part of why I could never be conservative but there are still a
lot of conservatives equally offended by The Western Standard
obscenity. Nevertheless, meanwhile, over here... still nada.


That's quite a statement to make. However, a dangerous one. If Ted
wants to be jackass, well I have no choice but to fight fire with
fire.

Now, let us be very very clear. RightGirl's comments regarding
criminalizing Islam in Canada is, unbelievably dumb, bigoted, short
sighted and is nothing less than totalitarian.
Freedom of religion is a non-negotiable right for any Democratic
state. And generalizations in the way she applied are…to mince
words…stupid.

But equally as dumb, is Ted's generalization of the Conservative
movement, as well as his wondering of why the Blogging Tories are
"silent" on the issue. Unfortunately to Ted and his friends,
RightGirl's opinion, generalization and bigotry is not limited to the
Conservative movement, and lack of denunciations to these things is
not limited to the Blogging Tories.

A few examples of bigotry and racist generalization from supporters
from Cerebrus' party:

-Last June, shortly after the arrest of the "Toronto 17", one self
described Liberal Blogger leaves this message on my blog. (This is no
sarcasm; he later on defends his statement).

We need to decrease immigration from the Arab countries. That's the best way.


Funny, I never really heard much denunciation from members of Liblogs
for this comment.

-Or how about Liberal Catnip, the old hag who smugly suggested that
Muslims and Arabs in the Middle East are not worthy of humanitarian
intervention
. Or better yet, how about her comments regarding the
Muslim activists who risked their necks writing a manifesto urging
their fellow Muslims to reject extremism and terrorism, in which she
suggested that they didn't know what they were talking about?

-And if Ted is mad at RightGirl for using a bigoted generalization on
all Muslims, then I'd expect him to be spitting mad at Liblogs founder
Jason Cherniak for using an absurd ethnic generalization of his own.
Claiming a terrorist-supporting hypocrite MP is an representation of
all Muslims. Apparently, we all interpret things the same way and
are unable of independent thought.

-Or better yet, when the Al Alkhras family was killed in Southern
Lebanon, the reaction from many lefty bloggers was not a sense of
sadness or sympathy, but joy that these deaths can be politically
useful to slam Harper politically. (This simply confirms what I've
been saying all along, the only third-world deaths worth giving a dam
about to the Liberal Party are those which can be spun into blaming
Conservative politicians.)

-Another Liberal idiot a while back tried to convince me that Syria
(which has killed more Muslims than Bush, Sharon and Blair could ever
do in a lifetime) was actually playing a peacekeeping role in Lebanon
shortly after the Cold War.
A few of my Lebanese buddies would find
that comment just a tad extreme and would just a little bit annoyed to
say the least, but there he was, actually believing the c rap he was
spewing. (To my recollection, no Liberal blogger stepped in and told
this guy to keep his historical ignorance to himself).

Now these are just examples in the blogging world. If we want to step
back and take a look at the bigger picture when it comes to
Islamic-Canadian relations, the Liberal party flunks big:


-Do the 70+ Liberal MP's, who expressed no protest whatsoever when
Martin sent Troops to Khandahar but suddenly wished for Canadian
troops to withdraw when Harper came to power represent realize that
the Taliban and Al Qaeda (who would reclaim more power following the
Canadian withdrawal) bigoted for using the lives of Afghans so cheaply
to advance their own political needs?

-What the hell was Colleen Baumier thinking when she visited Iraq
prior to the Invasion to express her support for the Iraqi regime? Are
you honestly going to convince me she had no idea that this was going
on by the very regime she was supporting? How the hell is that
evidence that the Liberal party really is the party that stands for
the safety and freedom of Muslims worldwide?

-If the Liberal party really wanted more Muslim representation in
parliament, did they really have to go out and parachute the most
idiotic, bigoted, terrorist-supporting dumbass
that has ever set foot
in this country? Is that the Liberal party's view of the Islamic
community?

All in all, I think Ted ought to be a little bit careful whenever he
wants to set off an anti-racist crusade against the conservatives
regarding Islamaphobia. Truth is, if Ted was serious about this, he
would tackle the anti-Islamic bigotry in his party first before
picking on others, and the only silence he should be questioning, is
that of his fellow Libloggers who have always remained silent during
the incidents I have just mentioned.

So in conclusion, Ted, as a Muslim I really appreciate your disgust at
this kind of bigotry and the concern for my safety which you display.
But as I have shown, you have your hands full with your own camp.

18 Comments:

At Friday, 11 August, 2006, Anonymous Pierre "I love Commies" Trudeau said...

the best racists and bigots in the world are always Liberals - they do it with such conviction and self-assurance.

Remember how I spent my time in WW2

 
At Friday, 11 August, 2006, Blogger SilverWinger said...

There are a few bloggers out there who could give a rats ass about the middle east other than what it means to their political party.
Politics in this country has turned partisan in a big way and as such is turning the blogosphere nasty.
Most bloggers would like to engage in honest debate while others only want to preach to the converted or rah-rah their side.
Some of the lib bloggers you mention are a one issue blog, ie: Bush, Bush-Blair, Bush-Harper, Bush-Blair-Harper or just anti-Harper, and use the middle east conflict as a vehicle to their looney conclusion.
In fairness the other side has their share of bigoted, name calling cheer leaders as well.
It seems like there is nothing out there that is above partisan politics and it is a sad thing to see.

 
At Friday, 11 August, 2006, Blogger robedger said...

It really detracts from your credibility when you mischaracterize posts (like the first link regarding Liberal Catnip). That link was the first one that I checked in your post and your characterization of it was wildly innacuarate. I haven't checked the rest, but that isn't a good start.

 
At Friday, 11 August, 2006, Blogger catnip said...

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At Friday, 11 August, 2006, Blogger catnip said...

Notice how he also coveniently ignores that fact that in my daily postings about the Israel/Lebanon war, which I've been doing since it began, I have repeatedly brought to light the humanitarian crisis in Lebanon. But, that doesn't count since he thinks he can just throw my blog into the mix of those he considers to be "racist" while calling me an "old hag" (ouch, ouch) to score points with his more rabid readers - who, btw, have been over at my blog calling me anti-Muslim, anti-semitic, anti-American, anti-Canadian etc when the only thing I am "anti" is war (and Bush and terror and fearmongering and hysterics and neocons and everything that goes along with what they and their puppets do in the name of so-called "patriotism" as they destroy individual freedoms).

But who needs facts when you have manufactured outrage against someone you consider to be your enemy (just because she's a liberal (gasp!))

 
At Saturday, 12 August, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Welcome back, Arabian Knight. Hope your friend is doing okay.

Gotta laugh at the catty catnip's last sentence. Who need facts? Go visit her blog for the classic illustration of "Who needs facts?"

Her take on the cellphone collecting folks down in Minnisota is a classic.

What a stooge.

 
At Saturday, 12 August, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

Oops. That should be Michigan.

 
At Saturday, 12 August, 2006, Anonymous Anne (happier in Ontario) said...

AK, good to see you around again, busy, huh? Quite an ordeal for your friend, hope that he is adjusting okay.

Wow, quite the email, some pretty sick people out there, too bad they found you.

I know that you are going to get all sorts of crap thrown at you from all sides, you're in a tough position and in Quebec of all places. You keep blogging and telling your perspective, many really want to hear it and learn from you.

Reading you (and knowing other Muslims) confirms that what RG said is wrong. Fanatics of any kind I cannot tolerate but banning any entire religion is not only impossible but criminal, a very sad statement that most don't support. People should educate themselves on exactly who the problem is before suggesting the solution.

I know that your voice is one among many. I hope those voices, including Muslims, grow louder against the fanatics and we condemn the actions of all who hijack a religion for the purpose of tyranny.

As for catnip, she's nuts, eating to much of her own product. I lump her in with the other fanatics running around and screaming "look at me", no thanks!

 
At Sunday, 13 August, 2006, Blogger Wayne said...

RightGirl's Muslim stand is an over reaction to scary times.

I hope she was just venting, and will calm down.

Fanatics of any religion should be sent back to where ever they came from, even if it was 10 generations ago. They would then find out why their ancestors left.

Frank Zappa had a great song Dumb all Over. Google: Frank Zappa Dumb all Over Lyrics

Great Post as always.

 
At Sunday, 13 August, 2006, Blogger The Arabian Knight said...

"It really detracts from your credibility when you mischaracterize posts (like the first link regarding Liberal Catnip). That link was the first one that I checked in your post and your characterization of it was wildly innacuarate."

Let's see...Ignatieff raises the humanitarian aspects associated with the Afghanistan mission, and she brushes them off as "Bush talking points" and later says that unlike the situation in Afghanistan, the situation in the Sudan is a "real" humanitarian crisis.



"I haven't checked the rest, but that isn't a good start."

My guess is that you did, but could'nt bring yourself to condem the racism that's coming out of your party.

"Notice how he also coveniently ignores that fact that in my daily postings about the Israel/Lebanon war, which I've been doing since it began, I have repeatedly brought to light the humanitarian crisis in Lebanon."

All your doing is bringing up the humanitarin crisis and blaming them on your political adverseries.

"the only thing I am "anti" is war (and Bush and terror and fearmongering and hysterics and neocons and everything that goes along with what they and their puppets do in the name of so-called "patriotism" as they destroy individual freedoms)."

Your not anti-war, allright? Give it a rest already. Your not "anti-war" when you call for military intervention in Darfur (which will require fighting). Please drop that rhetoric already.


"But who needs facts when you have manufactured outrage against someone you consider to be your enemy (just because she's a liberal (gasp!))"

I don't consider "Liberals" to be my "enemy". Just my political opponents. I DO however consider people who mock and ridicule brave souls who risk their lives to speak out against a virus in their community to be my enemies.

 
At Sunday, 13 August, 2006, Blogger Cerberus said...

Actually, AK, I wasn't generalizing about conservatives. In that post and in several other posts that followed and in the comments section, I make a point of saying that this is not the voice of the right, that The Western Standard where it was published is not the voice of the right. Not only that, but the silence was so incredible, given how many people on the left (which I also routinely criticize by the way) and in the centre (where I like to consider myself) that I actually asked a couple of conservatives bloggers and even some Blogging Tories to comment. I wanted to make it clear that her views were unacceptable to all Canadians and it wasn't just a left-right thing. None of the BT'ers responded, but several conservatives decided to comment.

No one on the left or in the centre supported her (Wayne: it wasn't a one off venting, she defended the comments over the next couple of weeks) but several prominent commenters on the right did quite strongly (Ezra Levant, Kathy Shaidle of relapsed catholic, others).

For every one reason I could never be comfortable in the Conservative Party federally, I could give you a thousand reasons I wouldn't be comfortable in the NDP. You can pick out a few idiots in any party who managed to get elected, but that's kind of a silly exercise when they are so few. (BTW, where do you get that 70+ MPs wanted Canada to withdraw from Afghanistan? That's taking spin to a whole new level.)

My point in the post and here is that the outright, unapologetic religious and racist bigotry, even though not shared by most conservatives, is quietly tolerated much more broadly. And this was sadly yet another example of that.

Ted
Cerberus

 
At Monday, 14 August, 2006, Blogger Terry Crane said...

Thust thought I'll express my oppinion. I believe your political views are of a very responsible person, full of respect for himself and his kind.

I do believe that Arabs had a huge chance with Zionism in 1920s, when European Jews really wanted to live as a part of the Arab world, sharing knowledge and contributing towards success of the region. The decision to side with very provincial interests of Husseini family against global interests of the Arab nations is beyond my comprehension, although I haven't researched the subject well.

An alternative decision could see some of the gratest minds of the 20th Century like Fermi, Van-Newman, Wiener etc. working in some joint Israeli-Arab facilities in Jerusalem, publishing their works in Hebrew and Arabic, and only them in English. I know it sounds absurd these days.

It is absolutely normal that facist Right come as a response to fascist Left. If you look through the history, you'll see that they need another to take power. Russian ultra-Right of 1910s, German Communists of 1930s. I think you are doing the best thing you can under the circumstances - you oppose jihadists and expect the decent people of Christian background to oppose their bigots. I doubt they are dissapointing you.

 
At Tuesday, 15 August, 2006, Anonymous E J Hosdil said...

Mr. Cerberus may not be a bigot himself, but he hangs around the wrong crowd. The Liberals in Canada and Democrats in The USA are full of characters that are bigoted against Muslims, Christians and Jews. They complain about Mel Gibson, but turn around and say they do not want a Jew to be a senator from CT. They pretend to care about Lebanese civilians and than turns around and say we can't have some Muslim from Mississagua be and advisor to the Canadian government. Let's also not forget that it was the Liberals (and Democrats) who put Japanese in camps. You don't see Conservatives and Republicans putting Arabs in concentration camps. Anyone who still thinks that Conservatives are more bigoted than Liberals must not be living in the 21st century. It is time that liberals open their minds and learns more about the rest world instead of living in their narrow community.

 
At Wednesday, 16 August, 2006, Blogger catnip said...

Her take on the cellphone collecting folks down in Minnisota is a classic.

What a stooge.
Louise


Checked the news lately, Louise? I was right. Hope your head didn't explode.

I give up arguing with you, AK. You twist everything I say. And if you don't understand how someone can be antiwar and pro-peacekeeping, that's your problem, not mine. You just can't seem to accept that we actually agree about some things, regardless of our political differences.

 
At Wednesday, 16 August, 2006, Blogger Louise said...

No, Catty Catnip. You're arguments, as usual, are totally vacuous.

(1) You suggest that Walmart employees should not be required to report suspicious behavior, especially if they feel scared, implying that submission in the face of fear is a valiant stand.

(2) You ask the following question:

"why did they have 1000 when they only needed one or two?"

and fail to answer it, when in fact, it is the most critical fact in the whole case.

(3) You ask:

"Who really knows what these phones were going to be used for? Maybe these guys were just going to resell the phones at a higher price somewhere else."

..but you don't follow through with even you usual dimwitted analysis, which is telling, as this seems to be what your entire thesis rests upon. And indeed, it is the nub of the entire police case as well.

You seem to imply that guilt needs to be established in a court of law before anyone can be arrested for suspicious behaviour.

Well Catty Catnip, you might as well condemn the child who reports she is being sexually abused, because the perpetrator hasn't yet been proven guilty. You're arguments against police action in this case are mind bogglingly stupid. Like just about everything else you write, it's analysis free spewing of leftie double-speak note.

And on the other topic which you claim to champion, how can peacekeepers keep peace where none exists? How would you explain the failure of peacekeeping in Rwanda, for example?

Maybe you should occasionally try the art of persuasion, instead of catty, haughty outbursts of your favourite "I'm finished with you" line or your custom of banning those who disagree with you. You're a phoney, Catnip. You spew hatred in the guise of anti-war rhetoric.

 
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At Saturday, 02 September, 2006, Blogger The Arabian Knight said...

(Actually, AK, I wasn't generalizing about conservatives.)

Ergo, you used it as a reason to why your “not a conservative”?

(Not only that, but the silence was so incredible, given how many people on the left (which I also routinely criticize by the way) and in the centre (where I like to consider myself) that I actually asked a couple of conservatives bloggers and even some Blogging Tories to comment. I wanted to make it clear that her views were unacceptable to all Canadians and it wasn't just a left-right thing. None of the BT'ers responded, but several conservatives decided to comment.)

Hmmm…okay…so I’ll use that logic and turn it against you. The examples I just mentioned have been made by various Liblogs. Many of which was degrading as wel as insulting to Muslim Canadians, I should take the silence of Libolgs on those posts as “disturbing” right?


(For every one reason I could never be comfortable in the Conservative Party federally, I could give you a thousand reasons I wouldn't be comfortable in the NDP.)

For whom you vote is your constitutional right. I have no issue with that. What I do have a problem with is you chastising conservatives for anti-muslim bigotry while you remain silent on the anti-muslim bigotry coming from your side.

(You can pick out a few idiots in any party who managed to get elected, but that's kind of a silly exercise when they are so few. (BTW, where do you get that 70+ MPs wanted Canada to withdraw from Afghanistan? That's taking spin to a whole new level.))

Enlighten me, WHAT were they calling for?

(My point in the post and here is that the outright, unapologetic religious and racist bigotry, even though not shared by most conservatives, is quietly tolerated much more broadly. And this was sadly yet another example of that.)

And my post is alos an example of anti-muslim racist bigotry is quite tolerated on the left spectrum as well. Before you go chastising other parties for their tolerance of bigotry, perhaps you shoud start doing a little cleaning for your side. Until then, bless you for your good hearted intention, but please spare me the hypocrisy,

 
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